TALYSARN HALL or PLAS DOROTHEA, Nantlle Valley, Caernarvonshire 2009

TALYSARN HALL or PLAS DOROTHEA, Nantlle Valley, Caernarvonshire 2009
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Only a half hour drive from Gwynfryn House to the mining community of Talysarn and the Nantlle Valley. It did not take long to find the ruined villa of Talysarn Hall. I first came across the vast array of outbuildings. I presumed that these were indeed the house converted into showers for the working miners but once past these and walked through the castellated arch I soon became aware of what a jewel this Victorian hall once was.

The house itself is somewhat plain with three stories and a basement. The centre front bay slightly protrudes and also has a small porch. It is roofless and with no obvious discernable features within. It is nothing but a heavily graffiti’d shell, overgrown and seemingly heading silently and sadly into total collapse. I made a few exposures of the house which stands lost behind heavy foliage and with huge piles of waste from the quarries behind.

I was however somewhat confused and struggled to distinguish between what was once a mansion and its grounds with that of the ever encroaching mine workings. Long driveways lead away from the house with high stone walls, one of these at the rear of the house appeared to be now a stream, an outlet from the mining days or had the driveway become a causality from the recent heavy rain. A strange bridge that led nowhere spans this stream and beyond that a small array of walled enclosures.

Down below the washrooms (once stables and kennels?) another such driveway led to a further collection of buildings – built haphazardly upon one another with a narrow passageway leading upstairs and around a corner and into a room without a doorway. Further along again, next to some rendered stone pillars, a small gothic looking chapel or folly(?)sits low and dark in amongst the deep rotting leaves with the canopy of large oaks, beeches and chestnuts all but blocking out the light.

The driveway wends out to another two stone pillars and a very large lodge house. I would estimate larger than Talysarn Hall itself, with large rear extensions. Dampness clung to everything. Although this house with its confusing and abundant collection of outbuildings appear, judging by the litter and graffiti, to be visited often by bored kids and vandals, there is much to appreciate here and there is an atmosphere of rural abandonment and loss.

My visit at 9am was undisturbed. The greyness of the hills were broken with greenery and recreational pathways now thread though the workings often revealing ruined buildings and big pits in the ground, now lakes, that hint and sometimes loudly announce that this was once a large mine workings. These dangerous pools are a favourite haunt of many divers. Leaving Talysarn Hall I saw the large cracks in the walls of the castellated stable entrance and I was reminded that this house and its many buildings are on borrowed time.

Even the extensive mine workings at Nantlle, once a barren, industrialized large mine now feels like parkland with footpaths wending in and out of the quarries, lakes and slag piles. Footpaths that were once roads and railway lines (bringing the men into the hillsides and the waste and precious copper ore out) are now used by mountain bikers, dog walkers and hikers.

I spent three hours at Talysarn. After three hours under dark canopy and the damp heavy leaves composting underfoot it was a relief to get back into the open air and brightness of the day. I left Talysarn excited but also mystified. For me the house and location was sublime. It felt like it has had a varied and interesting history (although only built in Victorian(?) times – I’ve found very little information on the house so if anyone knows please do get in touch. I believe it was also known as Plas Dorothea). I could not truly find my bearings with the layout of the outbuildings; I can only imagine they were heavily transformed from domestic service quarters and stables to industrial uses, showers and administration buildings. Yet one can still imagine this estate to be, once more, a substantial and beautiful country house.

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TALYSARN HALL or PLAS DOROTHEA, Nantlle Valley, Caernarvonshire 2009


Photo comment By Clive Midgley: Talysarn Hall was owned by the Robinson family. They owned Talysarn quarry, just west of the Hall.They may have had connections with the Nantlle Tramway which serviced the various quarries in the area. The deep water filled holes nearby where open cast slate quarries, one being 600 ft deep. The nearest copper mines where several miles east of the Hall. Happy new year Clive
Photo comment By Ceri: Talysarn stayed in the Robinson family until shortly after the death of Thomas Robinson in 1905. The house was then sold to the quarry company.
Photo comment By donna: I spent my honeymoon there in 1989 I have never been in such a tranqil place the only sounds were sheep running up the slag heaps and tumbling slate looking round the mansion was like stumbling across the secret garden in the 20 years since i have never found that . I am planning to return soon to see its beauty.
Photo comment By Melanie: I'm a descendant of the Robinson family and have a picture of my grandmothers aunt on her wedding day in the doorway of the house - I know the fountain in the grounds was built for one of the daughters on her 21st birthday
Photo comment By Roger Foreman: Just visited. The track immediately behind property is the old Nantlle horse tramway which connected with BR in Talysarn. Local dog walker recalled roof on house in his youth, say late 50s. He said last occupied in 1946. Family moved out when landslip brought Dorothea Quarry too close for comfort.
Photo comment By ivorna: I remember it fully roofed windows intact stagecoach at the back fountain in the front garden ,there was a story that a child drowned in the fountain dont know if it true ,
Photo comment By geoffrey mundy: i lived in talysarn in gogerddan from 1979 to 87 i walked this many times peaceful and beautiful place for walks and wildlife will go back again
Photo comment By ron harrison: I lived in Tal-y-Sarn from 1963 for two years. As a schoolboy I spent a great deal of time playing round the quarries etc. It was a lovely peaceful village
Photo comment By Robert Forrester-Addie: Dorothy Robinson was my grandmother. My grandfather was mayor of Welshpool in 1896-ish. My father was born at Talysarn in 1904. My brothers and I were told that the demise of the quarries business was down to a gambling debt! Who is Melanie in the comment above?

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